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the court will not and should not have judicial review over doma. they wrote a bill stripping the supreme court of the right to rule on it. it passed the house. it did not pass the senate. thank god. >> i want to ask you about health care. on policy, i know you are -- [laughter] you have told us it will be 6003. -- 6 to 2. if the court strikes down the mandate and leaves in place all of the things that you know voters -- can you justify leaving those things in place without a mandate everybody knows will help kids under 26? all those other things. how can you leave those other things in place? >> just to borrow supreme court metaphor, you have to have the mandate in order for this to work from a financial standpoint. but, that does not mean -- we want to keep those in place. the biggest difference in the lives of the american people -- let me say one of. one is that you cannot be deprived of coverage if you have a pre-existing medical condition. this is huge. this is huge. insurance companies even say that they really cannot do that. unless the prem
the court will not and should not have judicial review over doma. they wrote a bill stripping the supreme court of the right to rule on it. it passed the house. it did not pass the senate. thank god. >> i want to ask you about health care. on policy, i know you are -- [laughter] you have told us it will be 6003. -- 6 to 2. if the court strikes down the mandate and leaves in place all of the things that you know voters -- can you justify leaving those things in place without a mandate...
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that's a big step. >> you can decide as the obama administration has not to defend doma. there's still consequences to doma being on the book and reasons why it has to go away. >> absolutely. >> if you are a same-sex couple and married it in one of the states you're now legally married and one dies you face estate tax situations. >> yeah. >> that a heterosexual couple doesn't. every time you file federal taxes you are treated differently. it says these relationships are lesser. i think we've evolved to a point this country where we accept gay and lesbian people as equal and say their relationships in the federal law are lesser than we're saying they're lesser. >> how it fits with the immigration debate as well. >> certainly. it's presently worth noting that bill clinton should maybe take a page from the joe biden playbook because he after all is the person we have to thank -- >> the joe biden playbook. >> and taking a page from it. >> thank you to ari, joy and frank for joining me today. that is all for us here at "now." see you back tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pa
that's a big step. >> you can decide as the obama administration has not to defend doma. there's still consequences to doma being on the book and reasons why it has to go away. >> absolutely. >> if you are a same-sex couple and married it in one of the states you're now legally married and one dies you face estate tax situations. >> yeah. >> that a heterosexual couple doesn't. every time you file federal taxes you are treated differently. it says these...
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>> the doma case is a much more easy case. all it does is to return congress to its original position of following whatever states say the definition of marriage are. so it was crafted because it's a movement. they tend to be pro-state's rights and the liberals are pro-gay so arguing towards the middle, these are justice kennedy's favorite things. that's clearly a fifth vote for this case. we assume. so i think everyone imagined everyone since appellate court struck it down, that it leads to the supreme court to review the case. everyone thought they would take the case. i think they are going to do the right thing and strike it down. the other case is much more complicated. the doma case doesn't affect any state decisions. where the perry case, the outcome -- >> that's the prop 8 case in california. >> exactly. thank you for helping me out there. the case says there's this definition passed by a ballot initiative that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. if the the supreme court goes broad on that and says the
>> the doma case is a much more easy case. all it does is to return congress to its original position of following whatever states say the definition of marriage are. so it was crafted because it's a movement. they tend to be pro-state's rights and the liberals are pro-gay so arguing towards the middle, these are justice kennedy's favorite things. that's clearly a fifth vote for this case. we assume. so i think everyone imagined everyone since appellate court struck it down, that it leads...
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explain the constitutional difference between these cases and how the supreme court could say doma could be unconstitutional, the federal government cannot discriminate against a couple married in new york and still not rule that the california statute and referendum itself was not unconstitutional. >> the court has a whole menu of possibilities and a theory might go something like this. marriage has traditionalcally been decided by states. it's very unusual for the federal government to not just follow state law for its own purposes for internal revenue purposes, pension purposes, it's weird and untraditional for the federal government to disrespect a state's law on marriage. on the other hand, if you take that traditionalist approach, most states have until now not recognized same-sex marriage and you could say there is not yet a count veiling tradition. so if you wanted to thread the needle you could. >> eliot: the referendum in california itself it was unconstitutional. yet the federal statute that says we don't respect new york state's respect for same-sex marriage, a and then you'r
explain the constitutional difference between these cases and how the supreme court could say doma could be unconstitutional, the federal government cannot discriminate against a couple married in new york and still not rule that the california statute and referendum itself was not unconstitutional. >> the court has a whole menu of possibilities and a theory might go something like this. marriage has traditionalcally been decided by states. it's very unusual for the federal government to...
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obama administration had used the judiciary to oppose a solution on all 50 states that involved making doma unconstitutional and cutting off a debate when the other side made gains there is a lot of victories in something that is so far unique to the northeast and the pacific coast as a popular base movement should then be imposed on the midwest, the south and every other part of the country, 30 -- 32 states voted to prohibit it. >> i take my hat off to the democrats for sally embracing the principles. became ready for flight and they did not back down one bit when i came to their perspective. or abortion. we're worthy republicans? -- where were the republicans? have republican showed up, maybe there would have been a difference. rex i want to say this, it is similar to why the republicans fight against health care bill failed. that was a failure to put resources, focus, and energy into working on each constituency that could have voted down the bill. the pro-life democrats being a great example. about $1 million out of the $80 million that was spent had been focused on that, maybe it would
obama administration had used the judiciary to oppose a solution on all 50 states that involved making doma unconstitutional and cutting off a debate when the other side made gains there is a lot of victories in something that is so far unique to the northeast and the pacific coast as a popular base movement should then be imposed on the midwest, the south and every other part of the country, 30 -- 32 states voted to prohibit it. >> i take my hat off to the democrats for sally embracing...
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the doma case doesn't affect any state decisions. where the perry case, the outcome -- >> that's the prop 8 case in california. >> exactly. thank you for helping me out there. the perry case says there's this definition passed by a ballot initiative in 2008 that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. if the the supreme court goes broad on that and says there's a fundamental right for same-sex couples to marry, that could flip the remaining 41 states that don't have same-sex marriage to require them to have same-sex marriage. i don't think that's going to happen. i think there's many weigh stations between 0 and 50. for example, the court could look at this and say there are a bunch of states, eight states that say we're going to give you the rights and benefits of marriage but we're going to withhold the word marriage. the court can look and say you're worried about is brand. all you're saying is if you let gays into marriage that's going to diminish the brand. we're going to strike that down. we're going to add those s
the doma case doesn't affect any state decisions. where the perry case, the outcome -- >> that's the prop 8 case in california. >> exactly. thank you for helping me out there. the perry case says there's this definition passed by a ballot initiative in 2008 that says that marriage is between one man and one woman. if the the supreme court goes broad on that and says there's a fundamental right for same-sex couples to marry, that could flip the remaining 41 states that don't have...
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cheryl harris says "i think doma women get shut down quickly on solid legal grounds. prop 8 harder but kennedy will clear it up." >>> next the tug-of-war over the fiscal cliff. how much are democrats willing to give our entitlement cuts? we'll ask congressman elijah cummings that question. >>> the fight on capitol hill convinces a big powerball winner to claim his fortune now. you're watching "weekends with alex witt." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. i tell them dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can grow and multiply. polident is specifically designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announ
cheryl harris says "i think doma women get shut down quickly on solid legal grounds. prop 8 harder but kennedy will clear it up." >>> next the tug-of-war over the fiscal cliff. how much are democrats willing to give our entitlement cuts? we'll ask congressman elijah cummings that question. >>> the fight on capitol hill convinces a big powerball winner to claim his fortune now. you're watching "weekends with alex witt." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in...
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the 21 million americans hoping for health care and "the new york times" frank bruney weighs in on doma and cage for marriage equality when "now" starts in just three minutes. n't my daughs black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a hot, delicious bowl of chicken noodle soup from campbell's. ♪ let it snow, let it snow when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a dee
the 21 million americans hoping for health care and "the new york times" frank bruney weighs in on doma and cage for marriage equality when "now" starts in just three minutes. n't my daughs black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. when you lost the thing you can't...
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and then julie bolcer to give us a take on doma and prop 8. the holidays the gifts just keep on giving. now rocky mountain mike has sent us the best of rocky mountain mike. >> what? >> mr. bachmann now that your wife has left the campaign? as it affected you? ♪ i was born this way ♪ >> the primary hill billies ♪ well now it's time to say good night to bachmann ♪ ♪ stephanie miller ♪ >> this is the national mental health alert warning system with a sanatorium surge warning. ♪ [ inaudible ] ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ all in all we'll just be stuck with mitt in the fall ♪ ♪ squee ♪ ♪ no need to ask if the car elevator ♪ >> i forgot about this one. ♪ transvaginal airlines something special in the air ♪ >> the turtle says -- >> our top political priority over the next four years should be to deny president obama a second term. [ laughter ] ♪ he's a birther, she's a birther, we're all birthers wouldn't you like to be a birther too ♪ ♪ [ inaudible ] ♪ ♪ taking your health care away ♪ ♪ oh beautiful for spacious ski
and then julie bolcer to give us a take on doma and prop 8. the holidays the gifts just keep on giving. now rocky mountain mike has sent us the best of rocky mountain mike. >> what? >> mr. bachmann now that your wife has left the campaign? as it affected you? ♪ i was born this way ♪ >> the primary hill billies ♪ well now it's time to say good night to bachmann ♪ ♪ stephanie miller ♪ >> this is the national mental health alert warning system with a sanatorium...
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case, or whichever doma case they take. for all kinds of reasons. it's an extraordinary thing that the federal government, while it except for state government definition of marriage for every other kind of marriage including common law marriages or other marriages, there are some differences between the states. this is the one category that gets singled out for differential treatment so that just sets it up i think for justice kennedy who has a romer philosophy, so that is my most hopeful expectation. >> chad, turning around but could you, from a strategic standpoint, is there are risk in bringing these issues to this court? >> i think anytime one files a lawsuit there is always a risk that you can either win or you can lose. i absolutely believe that we are on the right side of this issue. we have the actual constitution in our favor. essays on the trial with 12 days of brilliance that chief judge walker oversaw. we are not opposition. is forced into a court of law, where truth and fact are the only things that matter, un
case, or whichever doma case they take. for all kinds of reasons. it's an extraordinary thing that the federal government, while it except for state government definition of marriage for every other kind of marriage including common law marriages or other marriages, there are some differences between the states. this is the one category that gets singled out for differential treatment so that just sets it up i think for justice kennedy who has a romer philosophy, so that is my most hopeful...
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court of appeals declared doma unconstitutional. the second appellate and sixth court in a row to do so. george h.w. bush -- they declared doma institutional in the majority decision of windsor v. united states writing... >> eliot: to break down the implications of this rule, i'm joined by richard socarides former president of equality matters who served as an adviser it of lgbt issues to president clinton. you haven't stopped smiling since the decision came down. hugely important day. explain what this means and why it is so important. >> it was a important decision for a couple of reasons. first, because it is a very important federal appellate court. the second circuit is a very prestigious court. the chief judge is known as a conservative judge appointed by republican president. so you know, all of that makes for a very important decision anyway. but most importantly, this is the first appellate court say when we look at classifications based on sexual orientation, in other words, when a law treats americans based upon their sex
court of appeals declared doma unconstitutional. the second appellate and sixth court in a row to do so. george h.w. bush -- they declared doma institutional in the majority decision of windsor v. united states writing... >> eliot: to break down the implications of this rule, i'm joined by richard socarides former president of equality matters who served as an adviser it of lgbt issues to president clinton. you haven't stopped smiling since the decision came down. hugely important day....
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first of all, it is not a violation of doma. second, i think this amendment is a violation of the first amendment freedom of religion rights of that faith minister and of those service members. there's a difference between legal marriage and the religious ceremony that commemorates a marriage. i completely agree that a rule or statute of the department of defense that purports to authorize the legal institute demerit among service members would be outside the jurisdiction of what the department does. no one is suggesting that should be the case. we are suggesting that if a chaplain chooses to perform a religious ceremony voluntarily that involves two service members of the same gender. the exclusion of the right to do that with two people different agendas differently it -- is a violation of religious freedom. no one has to accept as a religious doctrine same-sex marriage. i would be the first one to vote against and speak against any rule that says the catholic priest has to perform a same-sex marriage. or an orthodox rabbi or
first of all, it is not a violation of doma. second, i think this amendment is a violation of the first amendment freedom of religion rights of that faith minister and of those service members. there's a difference between legal marriage and the religious ceremony that commemorates a marriage. i completely agree that a rule or statute of the department of defense that purports to authorize the legal institute demerit among service members would be outside the jurisdiction of what the department...
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when the court agreed on friday to hear doma, they had nothing to say. first of all these are the fiscal conservatives that are asking us to cut medicare and social security. you know how much taxpayer money they've spent defending doma? >> exactly. that's because in their world and this is kind of where the scalia argument really just -- is actually reduction to the absurd in so far as how they make a case. he's going off the deep end making this big comparison where they're softly making this comparison everywhere else. it is like a pyramid scheme of connation where they he says they're on home phobia and murder is on the same arc. further down, i believe one man and one woman is the best for society. ultimately, they feel the same thing. he's the trunk of the tree. they all believe that. >> we believe in the sanctity of murder. >> stephanie: middle of the fiscal cliff debate and spending cuts. they hired government expense a lawyer many consider the finest supreme court hit gator of the moment. they're not just going through the moments as paul clemen
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big picture this morning the first circuit court of appeals ruled that the defense of marriage act doma which denies same sex couples federal benefits is unconstitutional what does this really mean for the future of marriage equality in the united states also new york city mayor michael bloomberg wants to ban sugary drinks at least large size from being sold in the city as part of his fight against obesity in new york should the government have the ability to tell you and me what we can and cannot buy and with the use of drones domestically on the rise the drone industry could soon be the place for american workers to find jobs so one of the consequences of the sudden boom drone usage in developing. dated no this this morning the first circuit court of appeals ruled that the defense of marriage act which denies same sex couples federal benefits is unconstitutional it's actually the judges two of which were republican appointees ruled that by defining a marriage between a man and a woman the law discriminates against gay and lesbian couples since that law was passed in one thousand nine
big picture this morning the first circuit court of appeals ruled that the defense of marriage act doma which denies same sex couples federal benefits is unconstitutional what does this really mean for the future of marriage equality in the united states also new york city mayor michael bloomberg wants to ban sugary drinks at least large size from being sold in the city as part of his fight against obesity in new york should the government have the ability to tell you and me what we can and...
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obama's press secretary and whether or not it's validation of the obama administration's stance on doma. >>> possibly no more super-sizing your soda. have you heard about this? mayor michael bloomberg's controversial proposal. >>> a battle over a will that would make it a crime tolingly seek an abortion based on gender. sheila jackson lee joins me to weigh in. [ female announcer ] want to spend less and retire with more? then don't get nickle and dimed by high cost investments and annoying account fees. at e-trade, our free easy-to-use online tools and experienced retirement specialists can help you build a personalized plan. and with our no annual fee iras and a wide range of low cost investments, you can execute the plan you want at a low cost. so meet with us, or go to etrade.com for a great retirement plan with low cost investments. ♪ yoo-hoo. hello. it's water from the drinking fountain at the mall. [ male announcer ] great tasting tap water can come from any faucet anywhere. the brita bottle with the filter inside. after just one use? think again. [ female announcer ] with olay
obama's press secretary and whether or not it's validation of the obama administration's stance on doma. >>> possibly no more super-sizing your soda. have you heard about this? mayor michael bloomberg's controversial proposal. >>> a battle over a will that would make it a crime tolingly seek an abortion based on gender. sheila jackson lee joins me to weigh in. [ female announcer ] want to spend less and retire with more? then don't get nickle and dimed by high cost investments...
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in a statement, the marriage equality group freedom to marry called the decision -- doma latere more on in the broadcast. the new york times has revealed president obama has waged a major cyberweapons operation against iran since the early days of his administration. the program, known as olympic games, has been used to sabotage the computer systems at iran's nuclear facilities. it began under the bush administration, but was significantly expanded when obama took office in 2009. obama decided to continue the program in 2010, even after part of it became public when it accidentally unleashed a computer worm known as suxtenet, -- across the global internet. developed with the help of israeli intelligence, suxtenet is said to have destroyed some of iran's centrifuges, but the full extent of the damage is unclear. the obama administration's cybercampaign in iran is believed to be the first sustained effort by one country to destroy another's infrastructure through computer attacks. house lawmakers have defeated the bill that would have banned abortions based on the sex of the fetus. whi
in a statement, the marriage equality group freedom to marry called the decision -- doma latere more on in the broadcast. the new york times has revealed president obama has waged a major cyberweapons operation against iran since the early days of his administration. the program, known as olympic games, has been used to sabotage the computer systems at iran's nuclear facilities. it began under the bush administration, but was significantly expanded when obama took office in 2009. obama decided...
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so with a doma case, it's like justice kennedy's most favorite things. because justice kennedy loves state power. >> loves state's rights. ? and he loves gay rights because of the 1996 case and the 2003 case, both of which he authored the opinion that upheld the rightings of lgbtv individuals. the doe ma case is like the perfect convergence of those two strands so, that's why i'm so confident about the doma case because it's a state's rights case in the sense that the federal government is meddling with the state definitions of marriage. with respect to the prop 8 case, i think again kennedy, because of these two cases i mentioned, is likely to be sympathetic but may be incremental. he may say something along the lines of one state or eight states have to flip. i don't think he'll flip all 41. >> we always appreciate your valuable insight. we hope you'll stick around for the next few months and continue to provide that as we wade through what is undoubtedly going to be a fairly complex case, as well. good saturday to you, sir. thank you for your time. >>
so with a doma case, it's like justice kennedy's most favorite things. because justice kennedy loves state power. >> loves state's rights. ? and he loves gay rights because of the 1996 case and the 2003 case, both of which he authored the opinion that upheld the rightings of lgbtv individuals. the doe ma case is like the perfect convergence of those two strands so, that's why i'm so confident about the doma case because it's a state's rights case in the sense that the federal government...
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they rode a bill that said the court should not have judicial review over doma. they know it is on very fragile constitutional ground. we think it is unconstitutional. but they, realizing that, wrote a bill stripping the supreme court of the right to rule on it. it passed the house but did not pass the senate, thank god. >> a last question about health care. on policy, i know you have to -- i know you are going on 63 -- 6-3, but on a matter of policy, if the court strikes down at the mandate and leaves in place all the things that you like and the doughnut hole closure, as a matter of policy, can you justify leaving those things in place without a mandate? all those other things without the mandate -- if a strike that down, how can you leave those in place? >> to borrow a supreme court metaphor, you have to eat your vegetables. you have to have the mandate in order for this to work from a financial standpoint, but that -- in other words, we want to keep those in place. the biggest difference in the lives of the american people -- one of, in terms of this legislat
they rode a bill that said the court should not have judicial review over doma. they know it is on very fragile constitutional ground. we think it is unconstitutional. but they, realizing that, wrote a bill stripping the supreme court of the right to rule on it. it passed the house but did not pass the senate, thank god. >> a last question about health care. on policy, i know you have to -- i know you are going on 63 -- 6-3, but on a matter of policy, if the court strikes down at the...
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. >> i support the repeal fo doma. i carried a resolution in the california assembly to do so. i strongly support the lgbt right to, and they're marry and the right for same-sex couples to marry. i think this is really a defining moment in our country, a civil-rights issue. i am pleased that the obama administration has taken some necessary steps towards repeal of don't ask, don't tell, and his decision to extend federal workers' benefits to same-sex partners. i support gay marriage 100%. the fact that married couples would not be able to actually keep their federal benefits, filing jointly or the spousal support of social security benefits -- a game married couple would not have the right to those federal benefits is the reason why we must move forward in repealing doma. >> no comment? >> i think marriage is between a man and woman. >> i want to move on to probably the most important economic issue of our time, which is the devastating housing meltdown. the apparent failure of the government today to find solutions to fannie mae and freddie mac which will cost taxpayers tens i
. >> i support the repeal fo doma. i carried a resolution in the california assembly to do so. i strongly support the lgbt right to, and they're marry and the right for same-sex couples to marry. i think this is really a defining moment in our country, a civil-rights issue. i am pleased that the obama administration has taken some necessary steps towards repeal of don't ask, don't tell, and his decision to extend federal workers' benefits to same-sex partners. i support gay marriage 100%....
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case, or whichever doma case they take. for all kinds of reasons, it's an extraordinary thing that the federal government, while it accepts the state government definitions of marriage for every other kind of marriage, including common-law marriages or other marriages, there are some differences between the states. this is the one category that gets singled out for deferential treatment. so that just sets up i think for justice kennedy, unicom has sort of rome or philosophy, and so that's my most hopeful expectation. >> chad, sorry to interrupt, but could you from a strategic standpoint, i mean, is there a risk in bringing these issues to this court? >> i think anytime one files a lawsuit there's always risk. you can either win or you can lose. i absolutely believe that we're on the right side of this issue. we have the actual constitution in our favor. as we saw in the prop eight trial, which was 12 days of brilliance that chief judge walker oversaw. when our opposition is forced into a court of law, where truth and fact a
case, or whichever doma case they take. for all kinds of reasons, it's an extraordinary thing that the federal government, while it accepts the state government definitions of marriage for every other kind of marriage, including common-law marriages or other marriages, there are some differences between the states. this is the one category that gets singled out for deferential treatment. so that just sets up i think for justice kennedy, unicom has sort of rome or philosophy, and so that's my...
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it's a virtual certainty the court will take the doma case. courts have overturned an act of congress. it's much less certain they'll take the prop 8 case and we'll only find out today which cases they're going to take because if they're not going to take any cases we won't hear about that until monday. all we get are the grants. no guarantee today but the justices are meeting in a closed door conference. these cases are on the agenda. so we may find out as early as today, chris. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. for the record i would watch a show called pete's predictions. thank you, pete. >> reporter: you'd be the one. >>> next, we'll head to the hill to talk to members from both sides about the fiscal cliff clash. plus, sharp divisions at the united nations. the world defies the u.s. in a historic vote for palestinians. and huge crowds are gathering in tahrir square after egypt approved a controversial new draft constitution. it's a move that's likely to inflame the political crisis there. we're live in cairo with what it all m
it's a virtual certainty the court will take the doma case. courts have overturned an act of congress. it's much less certain they'll take the prop 8 case and we'll only find out today which cases they're going to take because if they're not going to take any cases we won't hear about that until monday. all we get are the grants. no guarantee today but the justices are meeting in a closed door conference. these cases are on the agenda. so we may find out as early as today, chris. >> nbc's...
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if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is struck down, the people who are married in states that allow it will get full federal recognition. >> which is over more than 1,000 federal benefits that go along with that. >> it's very important. it would be very significant. >> jonathan, we talk about prop 8 in california. if that is struck down, does that mean marriage equality then for all intents and purposes is legal in all states? does what happens in california then change the relevance for 49 other states? >> well, this all gets to how the supreme court rules. you know, i think it was the ninth circuit -- the ninth circuit cour
if we first talk about doma, if it is struck down, what does that mean nationally? >> well, it means only that if you live in a state that permits same-sex marriage and you are in a same-sex marriage, that the federal government will recognize your marriage. doma does not require states to do anything. it doesn't require anybody to do anything. but right now it prevents the federal government from granting recognition to same-sex marriages like, for instance, in new york. if that is...
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what doma will do, what will happen when we get rid of doma is that gay and lesbian americans who are married will be treated like every other married couple. >> i'm just curious from your perspective, how big a part has the president's endorsement played in the movement for equality in your opinion? >> i would say that the president coming out in support of marriage equality has really liberated other folks who have also been evolving on the issue. by him making a statement and really allowing us to be a part of his evolution and his grappling between his faith and trying to reconcile his political beliefs and values, he's given license to everyone else who's on that journey to also find themselves on the side of equality. i think that has been really impactful and we've seen it in all of the polling around the nation in terms of the uptick and support for marriage equality. >> wow, it is incredible arc of history we're witnessing and participating in. thank you so much, aisha moodie mills for coming into the war room and for joining the battle with the good guys. and for you all out
what doma will do, what will happen when we get rid of doma is that gay and lesbian americans who are married will be treated like every other married couple. >> i'm just curious from your perspective, how big a part has the president's endorsement played in the movement for equality in your opinion? >> i would say that the president coming out in support of marriage equality has really liberated other folks who have also been evolving on the issue. by him making a statement and...
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we have to get rid of doma but have to make progress in the states. we have to fight off more constitutional amendments that are headed our way. and we have to overturn those, that already exist. and at the same time, as fighting the federal doma, overturning things in the states, as i said before we have a lot of legal cases going. and i think sometimes people say well surely there will be a silver bullet, one of these cases will go through and wipe the whole thing out. that would be nice but i don't see it happening that way. the way i see it it's like an arcade game, have you ever been to arcade, the pony is running across, and you're throwing bean bags, all those ponies are running to the finish line of marriage equality and we will get there but we have to get every single horse across the finish line and we need your help to do it. [ applause ] >> as arlene spoke earlier during the luncheon, our fates are tied together particularly on ballot measures. we just heard two sets of ballot measures, we're not talking about anti-affirm a
we have to get rid of doma but have to make progress in the states. we have to fight off more constitutional amendments that are headed our way. and we have to overturn those, that already exist. and at the same time, as fighting the federal doma, overturning things in the states, as i said before we have a lot of legal cases going. and i think sometimes people say well surely there will be a silver bullet, one of these cases will go through and wipe the whole thing out. that would be nice but...
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it consists of the doma challenges. one of them is one of the court court is most likely to grant review in. all these courts have found federal statutes to be unconstitutional in the supreme court has to resolve that. that is what it does. if it doesn't do that, doesn't do anything. so i think there is a question about which case will be -- the united states switched its position during the administration from defending doma to arguing that it's unconstitutional. and it has recommended to the courts that there are two cases, there are only two cases in which there has been a court of appeals. i think the windsor case is the more likely one in part because the justice department has recommended that. so i really think that that case will be -- that case will be heard. i will be extremely surprised if the supreme court does not grant review in a case. and that we do not get a decision on the constitutionality of doma. the other two things, the famous case, which shadows a little bit about, is the property case in califor
it consists of the doma challenges. one of them is one of the court court is most likely to grant review in. all these courts have found federal statutes to be unconstitutional in the supreme court has to resolve that. that is what it does. if it doesn't do that, doesn't do anything. so i think there is a question about which case will be -- the united states switched its position during the administration from defending doma to arguing that it's unconstitutional. and it has recommended to the...
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nation to strike down the defense of marriage act as unconstitutional and appeals court in boston found doma unconstitutional earlier this year. issue expected to be decided by the supreme court. that coming in msnbc. president obama and governor mitt romney on the same roof but no boxing gloves required. time for the sidebar. two days after the showdown in new york, sparring partnered back in new york tonight, invited to speak at the annual al smith dinner. conversation expected to be light and jovial at the archdiocese charity event. remember the fund-raiser governor romney secretly taped commenting on the 47% of the country the host is planning a second attempt to do right by romney. saturday night's event will not be at the home and will be co-hosted with several others. >>> paul ryan executed what football fans might call a fumble on the trail. confuse two cleveland browns quarterbacks while talking to one of them. condoleezza rice alongside the congressman had to point out the flub. >> i'm a big college football fan. we wife's a fan. we've been fun watching. you really are fun to watch
nation to strike down the defense of marriage act as unconstitutional and appeals court in boston found doma unconstitutional earlier this year. issue expected to be decided by the supreme court. that coming in msnbc. president obama and governor mitt romney on the same roof but no boxing gloves required. time for the sidebar. two days after the showdown in new york, sparring partnered back in new york tonight, invited to speak at the annual al smith dinner. conversation expected to be light...
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. >> eliot: in same-sex marriage where there is an attack on the doma act. explain that one. >> well, that one was passed at a time when almost no states had same-sex marriage. now most states do, and the trend is in favor that have. three months three states joined the bandwagon, and california, the biggest state under judicial decree to allow same-sex marriage. as we see more and more states joining this bandwagon the federal policy that allows states--that says the federal government does not have to recognize that seems increasing increasingly weird, irrational and in some ways in violation of states rights. >> and here you have attention two states rights, and civil liberties that should exist for individuals to marry, and congress passing law that marriage is of individuals of different sex. it's not whether i like it or i don't like t it it, that's why we need the professor to explain this. >> if you're married under state law, why shouldn't you be married for social security purposes and income tax purposes. >> cenk: the supreme court says you must b
. >> eliot: in same-sex marriage where there is an attack on the doma act. explain that one. >> well, that one was passed at a time when almost no states had same-sex marriage. now most states do, and the trend is in favor that have. three months three states joined the bandwagon, and california, the biggest state under judicial decree to allow same-sex marriage. as we see more and more states joining this bandwagon the federal policy that allows states--that says the federal...
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not defending doma against court challenge, saying that he would sign a repeal of the doma bill being sponsored by dianne feinstein. he already did the things that showed that the evolution is complete. >> the evolution is complete. mark halperin, what happened yesterday? >> he took a political risk. >> was it a political risk? >> i think on balance the reason they were not doing it right away is because there is risk involved. this could hurt the president but infuses his campaign with emotion in a positive way. if you look at mitt romney and john bone another how they talked about it it yesterday, they tried to seem to be moving on from the issue rather than what would happen five years ago, it would have been a national firestorm, would have been unthinkable and imperiled their campaign. that shows how far this public opinion has moved on this. >> and you could hear the collective sigh combined with cheers. the question whether or not it's a tough political decision. the gallup poll shows 57% of independents, the people in the middle who will decide this election support gay marria
not defending doma against court challenge, saying that he would sign a repeal of the doma bill being sponsored by dianne feinstein. he already did the things that showed that the evolution is complete. >> the evolution is complete. mark halperin, what happened yesterday? >> he took a political risk. >> was it a political risk? >> i think on balance the reason they were not doing it right away is because there is risk involved. this could hurt the president but infuses...
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>> under doma? >> if it is federal land or federal property, it would go against doma. >> i would yield back to mr. critz. before i do, may i simply say that the doma statute for marriage means one man and one woman. unless you have a statue, that would outlaw marriages or specifically authorize marriages, and federal parks, you can have a same-sex marriage in a federal park. that just happens. i will yield back to mr. critz. >> my question was just clarification. i do not understand what would happen -- because i don't think it is illegal. and i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. the chernow recognizes the congresswoman from california. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i to rise -- by, too, rise in opposition of this amendment. to think that we are spending time on this amendment when we have taken up hundreds of billions of dollars today without even a comment here or there -- it is somewhat striking, i think. i think the most important thing to appreciate is that this would only take place in state
>> under doma? >> if it is federal land or federal property, it would go against doma. >> i would yield back to mr. critz. before i do, may i simply say that the doma statute for marriage means one man and one woman. unless you have a statue, that would outlaw marriages or specifically authorize marriages, and federal parks, you can have a same-sex marriage in a federal park. that just happens. i will yield back to mr. critz. >> my question was just clarification. i do...
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the bipartisan legal advisory group was created and exists solely for them to continue to fight doma through the courts. important to mention this is section 3, federal employee benefits and does not strike down at all the clause of the defense of marriage act that permits states to reject marriages of same-sex couples that take place in other states so, for example, when my moms go down to visit family in florida, regardless of the ruling on this particular issue by the supreme court, my moms aren't married when they step off that plane in florida, so as david mentioned there is still a long ways to go when it dose to this law. >> david boies, let's talk about that long way to go. the issue that zach is talking about regarding his mothers, when this case goes to the supreme court, presumably all aspects of the law will be considered. >> you can't be sure of that. most likely, only the part of the law that was decided in this case will go to the supreme court in this case. now, the supreme court might reach out and deal with both sections of the law. but i think that it's more likely
the bipartisan legal advisory group was created and exists solely for them to continue to fight doma through the courts. important to mention this is section 3, federal employee benefits and does not strike down at all the clause of the defense of marriage act that permits states to reject marriages of same-sex couples that take place in other states so, for example, when my moms go down to visit family in florida, regardless of the ruling on this particular issue by the supreme court, my moms...
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there was a debate about doma, about striking doma from the platform. those who fought for it tended to be much older in that demographic. the younger the republican, the younger the conservative, the younger the libertarian, the chances are they're either agnostic or their fully -- >> you're getting into it much faster than i want to. we're going to go to blows. here it is, the language on gay marriage. it's not just against doma. quote, we reaffirm our support for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. we aflawed the citizens of the majority of states which have enshrined in their constitutions the traditional concept of marriage, and we support the campaigns under way in several other states to do so. and take a look at what the republican candidate mitt romney said back in may about his opposition to not only gay marriage, but even civil unions. let's watch. >> i think people have differing views on marriage, and i respect people's different views. when i served as governor of my state, this issue arose,
there was a debate about doma, about striking doma from the platform. those who fought for it tended to be much older in that demographic. the younger the republican, the younger the conservative, the younger the libertarian, the chances are they're either agnostic or their fully -- >> you're getting into it much faster than i want to. we're going to go to blows. here it is, the language on gay marriage. it's not just against doma. quote, we reaffirm our support for a constitutional...
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. >> the court also said government deals with marriage as a civil status with doma ruled understand constitutional in two states, what exactly does that mean for guy couples? >> i think what it means is the government is looking at it pure. you may be opposed to it or not or the church may believe in it or cannot. but it's a government thing. if the state wants to say it's legal, that state has the right to say legally they can mair. it's separate church and state. >> many believe that this will be eventually taken up by the supreme court. are you confident of that as well? >> i think it's coming. there are a lot of political issues. we're getting there. sooner or later the supreme court is going to have to put a stop to it and say this is the law of the land or wait for congress to do something, which doesn't seem like it's going to happen. >> if they do take it up, how much will the lower court's decision matter? >> it's saying gay people have been unrepresented by authority and i think the sproort court does need to do something sooner or later because it's going keep coming up.
. >> the court also said government deals with marriage as a civil status with doma ruled understand constitutional in two states, what exactly does that mean for guy couples? >> i think what it means is the government is looking at it pure. you may be opposed to it or not or the church may believe in it or cannot. but it's a government thing. if the state wants to say it's legal, that state has the right to say legally they can mair. it's separate church and state. >> many...
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and it's a great day to join us because of that doma ruling. they are saying certainly marriage equality is going to go to the supreme court. yay. oh my god, sexy liberalpalooza next saturday, very very exciting. giermo is going to be there. we are official steph heads, we saw you in seattle a couple of weeks ago, and we're going to see you in new york city. >> tom hartman here. and in my opinion there is nothing sexier than be a liberal. the stars of the most successful comedy tour in history, the stephanie miller sexy liberal comedy tour. new york this is comedy news that you need to know. they are coming to you live. ♪ hot child in the city ♪ >> on saturday october 27th right before the presidential election, the sexy liberal comedy tour will perform live on stage. tickets are available online or by calling 800-745-3,000. it's progressive, it's sexsy, find of like fdr in a thong. okay. it's nothing like that. that's the stephanie miller sexy liberal comedy tour. october 27th live at the beacon theater. [ applause ] >> stephanie: thank yo
and it's a great day to join us because of that doma ruling. they are saying certainly marriage equality is going to go to the supreme court. yay. oh my god, sexy liberalpalooza next saturday, very very exciting. giermo is going to be there. we are official steph heads, we saw you in seattle a couple of weeks ago, and we're going to see you in new york city. >> tom hartman here. and in my opinion there is nothing sexier than be a liberal. the stars of the most successful comedy tour in...
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so what happens when doma gets to the high court? we're joined by nyu constitutional law professor, kenji osheena. thanks for being here. >> great to be here, richard. >> what's going to happen? >> i think the supreme court is almost definitely going to happen. you rarely see a federal appellate court striking down one without review. >> if it takes it, what's going to happen? >> i think it's going to get struck down. >> 5-4, huh? >> 5-4, maybe even 6-3, because a lot of the conservatives actually are adamant state's rights individuals, and so if you think about this as a federal statute, that trenches on state domain, you might pick up one or two of those justices as well. >> so marriage equality proponents are watching this very, very carefully. what is it that the appellate court, in this case, found objectionable here? >> well, what was so striking about this case, compared to any prior appellate court decision is the court i applied what's known as heightened scrutiny, saying that it draws a higher level of review from the cours
so what happens when doma gets to the high court? we're joined by nyu constitutional law professor, kenji osheena. thanks for being here. >> great to be here, richard. >> what's going to happen? >> i think the supreme court is almost definitely going to happen. you rarely see a federal appellate court striking down one without review. >> if it takes it, what's going to happen? >> i think it's going to get struck down. >> 5-4, huh? >> 5-4, maybe even...